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Clyde Machine · 04-15-2010, 08:42 PM

In my last two lucid dreams, I found myself wondering if I could still feel my physical sleeping body, out of curiosity of course. Obviously, this makes me wake up each time it occurs. I'm slightly worried this might become a trend, that I might start thinking about it every time I go lucid in the future. Is this much a possibility, or might there be something to keep myself from thinking about it? I'm not terribly worried, but since it's happened a couple times out of curiosity, might I expect it to happen in future lucids in passing?

***Planewalker*** · 04-17-2010, 05:23 PM

I guess you have to go through this now, simply because it's on your mind. Trying to not think about it, just makes you think about it even more, so just let it happen when it happens until it wears off.

You could use it to try a few things though:
1. Practice WILD. Once you wake up from a lucid experience, it is quite easy to get back into one. Don't move after waking! Try to keep focused on the dreamworld.
2. Induce an OBE. I once discovered that I can induce OBEs by opening my physical eyes in a lucid dream. The eyes are the only part of the body that isn't paralyzed by REM atonia. You need to stay completely relaxed, but the exit should be pretty easy. I just wait until it happens by itself - or someone pulls me out, which I really don't like.

What you described happened to me at very important moments, for example when I convinced an entity to really answer some questions. I created that problem myself, because especially in such important situations, I tried not to think about the body and wake up, which of course only made me to.

Clyde Machine · 04-18-2010, 01:59 AM

Thanks for the response - I've overcome this little problem before it became a habit, it seems, and have had a lucid every night for the last three nights, which is a first for me! I am going to start practicing stringing lucids together with DEILD chaining and see if I might be able to pull that off well, and now that I've read your post I'll make it an opportunity to practice WILD more, which is another aspect of LDing that I should be practicing. I've had problems with WILDs at night though, I've only ever had one during an afternoon nap. I've tried WBTB numerous times, at different times, and I haven't been able to keep my mind awake. I know, terrible excuse, but that's what happens.

Quick question: You say that the eyes aren't affected by REM atonia, but aren't the muscles involved with breathing also exempt from the paralysis?

***Planewalker*** · (This post was last modified: 04-18-2010 02:16 AM by Planewalker.)

(04-18-2010 01:59 AM)Clyde Machine Wrote: Quick question: You say that the eyes aren't affected by REM atonia, but aren't the muscles involved with breathing also exempt from the paralysis?

Yes indeed. That's of not much help regarding the transformation of the lucid dream state into an OBE though.

Clyde Machine · 04-18-2010, 11:53 PM

Gotcha, gotcha. I've never looked into OBE's, and will probably not look into them for a little while yet, as I'm just getting the grasp of having consistent successful lucid dream inductions every night this past week. Once I've got that down very strongly, I'll be looking into other dream- and sleep-related phenomena. Thanks for the info!

***Planewalker*** · 04-19-2010, 12:17 AM

(04-18-2010 11:53 PM)Clyde Machine Wrote: [...] I'll be looking into other dream- and sleep-related phenomena. Thanks for the info!

An OBE is not necessarily a "dream- and sleep-related phenomena". The usual way to achieve it is by meditation. Only recently (for the last 40 years) it has been connected to sleeping, for example by Monroe.