Urls? - lower planar entities

[nexys 7]

Hi, can yous give me a few websites where i can read up on lower planar entities?
Googling just comes up with D&D sites, and other unhelpful stuff.
(Tho' th deviant art site was interesting)

Are lower planar entities like negs, or spirits (good / bad / neutral)?
I see their shadows, sometimes, but not often anything more.
it would be good to know about them in relation to dream work,
(espl when they wake you up).

Thanks

[Planewalker]

I think it's not that easy to tell if entities are negative or not. It's probably just how we perceive them. More than once I was able turn an attack into a friendly encounter. I don't think there are personifications of evil. Again, evil is just a concept made up by us. Nothing is purely evil, like there's nothing that is only good.

Anyway, about D&D... there is much wisdom in the concept of the planar multiverse. I think it's what they called AD&D or Planescape.

[nexys 7]

HI. I beg to differ on th whole good/bad thing,
but each to their own.
Although i do agree our perception of things determines what they are, to some degree.

Like, i don't know anything about D&D, it's just a game for me.
(you do mean 'Dungeons & Dragons', don't you?)
And AD&D? "Accidental Death and Dismemberment"?!

I was looking more for info on beings you might actually meet in your dreems.

[Planewalker]

nexys 7 Wrote:Although i do agree our perception of things determines what they are, to some degree.

You can't be sure of anything, not even that we actually perceive things. Maybe we simply invent them.

nexys 7 Wrote:Like, i don't know anything about D&D, it's just a game for me.
(you do mean 'Dungeons & Dragons', don't you?)
And AD&D? "Accidental Death and Dismemberment"?!

Yes, I meant Dungeons & Dragon and AD&D stands for Advanced Dungeons & Dragons.

nexys 7 Wrote:I was looking more for info on beings you might actually meet in your dreems.

I don't have any reliable written information. Some time ago I communicated with a lucid dreaming veteran and he told me about various factions with different agendas and names, but I don't have it anymore. As he told it, the astral world is inhabitated by different "races". They usually don't talk about themselves with us, but if you put them under pressure, they do. Asking nicely doesn't work, tried that several times, because I prefer being polite. Threatening or confusing them does work indeed. Often a smarter being will come to aid them, at least that happened to me a few times. Demand information, grab them by the collar or - very funny - let them do reality checks. That totally confuses some, which means someone will come to lead you away. Get your information first-hand and make sure you grab the right entities, not the tools. The last can't give you anything valuable anyway.

[nexys 7]

Thanks Planewalker, i've been trying out this, but haven't even come near yet.
I'm still waking up in a panic - fear and anger beyond rational thought.
I just want them OUT! NOW!
I don't calm down enough to think clearly until i've evicted them from my bedroom.
I'm wide awake by then, and able to remember th game plan. Doh.

Still, i've not been disturbed by them for a week or so - time to meditate on a different reaction.
You sound like you know what you're doing - do you encounter them often?

[Planewalker]

nexys 7 Wrote:You sound like you know what you're doing - do you encounter them often?

As I said, things are not always as they seem, but yes, I had several encounters with what one would call lower planar beings. Actually my whole childhood was influenced by it. They sat around the window laughing at me when I was waking up at night, paralyzed by fear. I wasn't asleep then. I know that, because I overcame the paralysis and ran out of my room, entering my parents' bed. This is where I woke up the next morning. One evening I came into my room and saw a monster face at the window. I fell to the floor and was paralyzed again. On all fours I crawled into the kitchen where my mother was sewing and told her right away. Those were the most relevant encounters, but not the only ones. In kindergarten I painted the monsters I had encountered and the educators became worried enough to have a talk with my parents.

When I was about 14, I had a visitor every night in my room. I never saw him, I could just head the door opening - no matter if locked - and something enter, filling the air with a cold chill. I heard footsteps and breathing. It was looking for me and I hid below the blanket, sweating like crazy with the warmth, breathing silently and waiting for relieving sleep without moving, so it won't find me. This went on for about a year.

Anyway, I experienced a lot of unusual things and doing so, I had to overcome many barriers. I faced my fears and by doing so, I realized they are without substance... they always were. By now, the other worlds feel more natural to me than this one.

Here's your task: You'll have to overcome your fear of them. That's what they feed on. If they realize - and they will - that you are not in control of your emotions, they will do things to amplify them. That's how it works in dreams. You are being fed on while you race through sequences of scenes that only have one purpose: Evoke a strong emotional reaction. This doesn't have to be negative at all. In my experience, there are beings that feed on this emotional energy, whatever the color. Don't worry, you have an unlimited supply, as I also learned. In a way, we seem to be conductors and converters for it. So to deal with negative entities, you have to stop fearing them.

If you like this image better: The negative entities that you face might be reflections of your own fear created by your mind. If you overcome the fear, the image will also disappear. I don't like that psychotalk though. It's just words, the mind, the subconscious, all just speculation by people imagining the contents of a black box from the outside.

The buddhists say: Control your mind (emotions, etc.) or it controls you.

But how can you just stop being afraid of negative encounters. I think that takes time. When you meet them again, play with them, get interested, communicate, examine, observe. The way to overcome your fears is to face them.

Read this report. That was when I became aware that I am in control, even if I am paralyzed. It's the extreme situations that teach you something about yourself.

I don't know if I wrote a report on that, but in an OBE there were several female entities with fangs in my loft after I exited. I guess that counts as a negative encounter - probably in a sexual way. Anyway, I commanded them to leave and they did... looking a bit disappointed. That's how easy it can be if you're in control of yourself. Self-control is control over the situation. I guess that lesson is rather universal. Conclusion: Strive for control of yourself. That's my advice.

P.S. I stumbled over a book that contains the information you initially asked for. I don't know if it's any good though, haven't read it and even if, it may represent a totally different attitude and background. The book I'm talking about is "Astral Plane - It's Scenery, Inhabitants And Phenomena" by Charles Webster Leadbeater.

[nexys 7]

WoW. Thanks for your reply.
It's scarily familiar, and too extensive for a glib response - i'll go think on it.
(there's much to think about, and much work to do.)

* Earlier you said:

Quote:You can't be sure of anything, not even that we actually perceive things. Maybe we simply invent them.

Well, th Buddha says we do.
All these things we normally perceive? They're "only mind".
ie they have no self existence from their own side. Like you say, th only creator of all this is our mind.

And "as it is in dreams, so it is here" - we make things real, make them matter.
Much like our dreaming mind does.

[Planewalker]

You might also want to read "The Techniques of Astral Combat" by G. Travels. It tells a lot about astral wildlife and actually describes a conclusive concept based on a very interesting approach. Good to see that my "warrior skills" in the "material world" might at last come to use.