Wake Induced Lucid Dreaming (WILD)

[Planewalker]

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[Planewalker]

Well, finally got it online. I may still edit a few things later though.

[moxley]

Good to see that you were finally able to finish that very important article.

I agree with the high success rate after long sleeping periods, has worked for me too recently as you know. WILDing is still a very sensitive subject and I think there are only a few real masters out there who can make it work at will anytime they desire. I am still tweaking my personal approach and attempts, but I guess a lot of it is really just intuitively knowing what to do at which stage. Finding the right balance between consciousness and relaxation is probably one of the hardest things to do. I had a couple of WILDs by now, but I would guess that I still fall asleep maybe 80% of the times I try.

I have to admit that I am a little biased and think WILDing is the crown of LD induction methods. I just love the idea of consciously slipping over from one state to the other at will. Thats also why I put most of my effort into it (I have some spontaneous DILDs from time to time too). I also think that once you really got it down, you can improve your IN-LD skills a lot better, because you know you can have another WILD the next day if you should wake up or something. Right now these experiences still feel very fragile, thats why I always feel in some kind of rush to move and do something, for fear of losing the lucid state.

Well, thanks again for writing this, and please keep posting your personal experiences, especially the feelings and sensation during the transition phase and right before exiting!

[nexys 7]

pretty good, Gig. Very well researched. Love th Buddha pic!
* why do you only give 30 mins for a WB2B? i'm never sleepy after such a short time.

[Planewalker]

nexys 7 Wrote:pretty good, Gig. Very well researched. Love th Buddha pic!
* why do you only give 30 mins for a WB2B? i'm never sleepy after such a short time.

It's because I want to STAY sleepy. This has nothing to do with WBTB where you wake up after only a few hours (usually 4.5) of sleep, do some activity for an hour and return to bed. I'm talking about getting about 10 hours of sleep. If you stay up too long, the whole rhythm may start from the beginning. The aim of sleeping that much is to increase the REM portion to an extent where the whole sleep cycle consists of REM only.

[Clyde Machine]

I've read through this article and found it to be pretty wholesome for one looking to do a WILD type of lucid dream. I'm attempting it myself, though I've found several blocks I need to overcome, and this article has presented a possibility to me, which would be doing the WBTB after getting great amounts of sleep, as opposed to getting a specific amount during my usual sleep cycle and then waking. I won't be depriving myself of a night's sleep to gain the REM rebound discussed in the article because I don't go well with all-nighters of any kind, but I wish everyone else who wants to try it the best of luck should they decide to do it that way.

[Planewalker]

Glad to help. WILD is easier than most people think when the circumstances are just right. You'll learn to instinctively determine such a moment with experience.

[Clyde Machine]

Had a very good attempt at a WILD last night, actually! Got 6.5 hours of sleep, walked around for about fifteen minutes, then went back to bed. After doing both Stephen LaBerge's Progressive Relaxation and the first 31 points of his 61-Point Relaxation exercises, I laid consciously and let sleep paralysis come over me.

What I found really odd was that not only did I not experience any hallucinations, but I didn't see any traces of dreams, even though I laid for an hour consciously. Why do you suppose that was, if I was in those late morning hours of multiple REM phases? Shouldn't I have seen at least something, even though I don't usually get the HH?

[Planewalker]

Clyde Machine Wrote:After doing both Stephen LaBerge's Progressive Relaxation and the first 31 points of his 61-Point Relaxation exercises, I laid consciously and let sleep paralysis come over me.

I used that relaxation technique, too -- Progressive Muscle Relaxation was developed by Edmund Jacobson, not LaBerge the way, but I found it too tedious. The "sighing method" I described proved to be much more efficient and less time-consuming - at least for me.

Clyde Machine Wrote:What I found really odd was that not only did I not experience any hallucinations, but I didn't see any traces of dreams, even though I laid for an hour consciously. Why do you suppose that was, if I was in those late morning hours of multiple REM phases? Shouldn't I have seen at least something, even though I don't usually get the HH?

Those images I wrote about are very subtle at first and you need to let them happen without adhering to them. I had to train this before it worked. It's like looking at the memory imprint of a vision, not the vision itself. Never try to see with your eyes, see with your mind. At a later stage the mind will automatically become your eyes, although it is still possible to switch between eye sets or foci. I don't have hypnagogic hallucinations either. Anyway, don't bother with the side effects. What you want is to shift your focus on the "inner" vision to become your primary reality. Maybe you were also trying too hard, observing and thinking too much. Or the time just wasn't right. There are many things that can influence the circadian rhythm.